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Great album. This and Jane Doe pretty much changed the way hardcore looked from 98-on.

one of my firsts

I was into this album when I was into Slipknot in grade 10, it is essentially tied forever to that era and will never become good ever. Sorry.

Listened to it for the first time (knowingly) just now. Rool'd.

grind/bro wrote:I was into this album when I was into Slipknot in grade 10, it is essentially tied forever to that era and will never become good ever. Sorry.

Quit being a snobby music grump. You are allowed to like stuff you liked in high school.

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grind/bro wrote:I was into this album when I was into Slipknot in grade 10, it is essentially tied forever to that era and will never become good ever. Sorry.

Quit being a snobby music grump. You are allowed to like stuff you liked in high school.

Oh I do, I heard Converge for the first time in High School, among tons of others. I just tie Hatebreed with nu-metal. Nu-hardcore.

grind/bro wrote:

Hollow wrote:

grind/bro wrote:I was into this album when I was into Slipknot in grade 10, it is essentially tied forever to that era and will never become good ever. Sorry.

Quit being a snobby music grump. You are allowed to like stuff you liked in high school.

Oh I do, I heard Converge for the first time in High School, among tons of others. I just tie Hatebreed with nu-metal. Nu-hardcore.

That's fair. Their later stuff, especially. But Satisfaction was a pretty mindblowing record in 1996.

It probably is but if I didn't read an interview with the Clown from Slipknot ages ago where he was like "YO BRAH like BREE IS THE BEST HARDCORE BAND EVR" we would possibly having a different conversation...

grind/bro wrote:It probably is but if I didn't read an interview with the Clown from Slipknot ages ago where he was like "YO BRAH like BREE IS THE BEST HARDCORE BAND EVR" we would possibly having a different conversation...

Hahahaha, yeah, those guys and Satisfaction both influenced some horrendous music. But, then again, so did Jane Doe.

Jane Doe did? I think the only remotely SUPER Converge rip-off band I heard was some band that was on my New England Hardcore & Metal fest DVD that sounded dead on like that record but with noise bits...but waaay not as good.

take this converge talk elsewhere.

Tambro wrote:Listened to it for the first time (knowingly) just now. Rool'd.

Glad this thread showed you the awesomeness of this record.


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grind/bro wrote:Jane Doe did? I think the only remotely SUPER Converge rip-off band I heard was some band that was on my New England Hardcore & Metal fest DVD that sounded dead on like that record but with noise bits...but waaay not as good.

I dunno dude. I think I can safely argue that metalcore took a pretty sharp turn for the worse post-Jane Doe. I love Converge, and that album, but they inspired some pretty insipid fucking changes in that sub-genre. Before Jane Doe we had Botch, Coelesce, Cave In. Post Jane Doe we have Bleeding Through.

Yeah but Bleeding Through was a result of Dimmu Borgir breaking into the mainstream, coupled with a weird mix of early "fashioncore", less of Converge. To point to an awesome band that was influenced by Converge post Jane Doe: Curl Up And Die. Shame they broke up. One of my all time favourites.

grind/bro wrote:Yeah but Bleeding Through was a result of Dimmu Borgir breaking into the mainstream, coupled with a weird mix of early "fashioncore", less of Converge. To point to an awesome band that was influenced by Converge post Jane Doe: Curl Up And Die. Shame they broke up. One of my all time favourites.

Curl Up and Die were fantastic, no question (and weird, I was just talking about them the other day). I wouldn't dream of saying every band influenced by Converge were terrible. But man...there were a lot of shitty bands post-Converge that can draw a direct line. I'd also say that Converge were just as important to Bleeding Through as Dimmu Borgir.

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for awhile there were soooooo many bad converge ripoffs, maybe circa 02-05. every half assed record label had at least a handful of these.

sure, hatebreed is a mook band that spawned a ton of awfulness, but satisfaction is such a tight album. i even dig on the cover album they eventually did. hatebreed doing obituary = ur moshin.

curl up and die are a shining example of a band that broke up too soon. the last album they did was so depressing and unlike the rest. it would have been great to see what they'd do next.

keep_it_real wrote: curl up and die are a shining example of a band that broke up too soon. the last album they did was so depressing and unlike the rest. it would have been great to see what they'd do next.

Thanks Revelation records...fucking idiots...

keep_it_real wrote:hatebreed doing obituary = ur moshin.

that was really cool

"preserverence" was a great record too, minus that one wrestle metal song. a ton of solid jams on that record.

"curl up and die - the only good bug is a dead bug" loved this record when it came out, definitely moshed my ass off at hellfest 2003 for them. it did NOT age well. "unfortunately, we're not robots" however is a GREAT record, and while it can be written off as converge light i'd put it above anything converge released post jane doe.

converge definitely influenced some horrible bands in the past 10 years. they are unfortunately stuck straddling the line between a hardcore kid who wishes they were playing some songs off "when forever comes crashing" live and some nerd who got their increasingly horrible looking shirts at a hot topic and wants to hear whatever song they have on their myspace player.

metallic hardcore pre-jane doe still had cave in, dillinger escape plan, drowningman, all out war, hatebreed, buried alive, etc, etc.