Andrew wrote:I agree that double standards in hardcore do suck and they are pretty common, but you can't assume everyone here is practicing that double standard when it comes to Lewd Acts. And you have to see the difference between what the bassist in Converge did and what Lewd Acts do. I'm not saying one is right and one is wrong, I'm saying the circumstances are apples and oranges.Hollow wrote:Andrew, I will agree that that was a touch hyperbolic, but the gist of the point was well made. There are bands that have done truly horrible things, and are then canonized, while other bands do fairly bad things and are treated like lepers for it. And check out Youtube for video from The Fest where a riot started during a Converge set, and the bass player battle axed a security guard with his bass. Totally called for, I think I would have done the same thing, but it goes to the point that some bands seem capable of doing anything they want and get away with it, and other bands get called out for it. It's a stupid double standard, and needs to end.
The difference with this too is no one knows if people would have negative opinions of some of these canonized bands if they also had personal experiences with them behaving badly. I'm sure somewhere out there, there are guys who love Lewd Acts and like Earth Crisis or Integrity because they had face to face bad experiences with those bands and not Lewd Acts. Enjoying a record made by a band you have no personal experience with but who have a bad rep doesn't obligate you to eat crow if you have a bad experience with a band at a show.
Stop being good at debating. You're ruining my whole opinion of "hardcore on the internet".
Kyle, Puff, you, Hunter, Zach, and I are pretty much ALL right. I've been thinking this over, and I think this just comes down to personal philosophies of hardcore.
I agree that fucking with a venue=shitty. However, as I've said before, I think it all comes down to context. If band A is spray painting their names on the bathroom walls, that's fucked. If band B is just going fucking apeshit and tossing things around, I'm okay with that. That's my line. Other people, not so much. I get that.
I will end this thread with this: I will bring Lewd Acts back, because they rage, and I love them. I will prepare the fuck out of the venue, and make sure that as little permanent damage happens as possible. No one HAS to come.
I'm with Hunter, done with this. Later, kiddies.
